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I think it would behoove the "communiy" to have a definite answer as
to whether or not "Dark Skies/Singularity" is an official Burning Man
Regional Event. If 'we' as a 'community' are to participate in
fundraisers to recoup debts derived from this event, we should know
exactly just what we are 'participating' in.
Is Dark Skies/Singularity a Las Vegas Burning Man Regional Event? Or a
Las Vegas Artisits' Event? If this is a combined event, then why is
there no mention of Burning Man on the Dark Skies website? And why is
the Dark Skies Survival Guide sorely lacking in the TEN PRINCIPALS of
BURNING MAN? Why is ALL discussion of the event steered ONLY to the
Dark Skies yahoo group, but not the LASVEGASBURNINGMAN yahoo group?
Who exactly decided to borrow money from other BURNING MAN REGIONALS
and the BURNINGMAN PROJECT to produce this event? There is a 'call'
out on the Las Vegas list to produce fundraisers to alleviate the debt
incurred, but where is the COMMUNITY discussion/decision to do so?
And WHO EXACTLY is the Las Vegas Regional? Is t one person? Two?
Three? or even four by proxy? Who decides this? Why does Las Vegas
need more than one Regional? Do ALL of them get free tickets to
Burning Man?
It is doubtful that any of these questions will be answered, because
it is unlikely that a dissenting view will be allowed to be posted.
However, by the off chance that one of the four moderators on this
list will allow such 'heresy', it might be prudent to ask each and
every one of the aforementioned questions.
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Re: Is Dark Skies a Regional Event?
Wed, June 20, 2007 - 7:35 AMAs far as I know it is a regional event. I also believe that Burning Man does not permit its name being used for any reason to promote something outside of the event.
At least that is my understanding.
IE even if I was going to have a gallery show of photographs from Burning Man I would have to title it something without the use of Burning Man.
Anyway, you can discuss any view you wish to here, dissenting or otherwise. As long as there is no direct personal atttacks and it pertains to the discussion I will NOT censor or delete any responses.
As far as objectivity goes, you will find no one any moreso than I am.
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Re: Is Dark Skies a Regional Event?
Wed, June 20, 2007 - 11:40 AMI know that Singularity is about as official as a regional event gets (I don't know about Dark Skies).
Part of the reason that there is no mention of Burning Man on the site is to assist in our dealings with the BLM. Despite it's success, BM is not heralded as an ideal event within the BLM official world. Unfortunately for the blm, the Burn had enough momentum to keep going just as their budget was being slashed. But look at any references to the Helco year and you'll see some of the bad karma that was generated between BM and the blm.
The first singularity did, in fact, produce all the trappings of what most people expect from a regional event: BM logos and links from the site, etc. However, when it was found that such trappings were working against us, and not producing the same level of positive results, it was decided to 'decorate' the event more with the dark skies name (an event that had been successfully thrown for some time at this location), more than Burning Man.
Both regional networks still treat it as a regional event: giving preferential postings in their new letters, etc. And the event still adheres to the 10 principals, donates to the art fund, is managed by regional coordinators, etc. But to the official world, it needs to stand on it's own merits. -
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Re: Is Dark Skies a Regional Event?
Thu, June 21, 2007 - 6:01 PMThank you for your reply, Tedward. You sound pretty knowledgable, so are you an LA Regional? Or have you just been extremely involved with the inner workings of this event?
Who is actually in charge of this event? I keep hearing about a 'core' group who makes the decisions, but no one is giving out any names. Two of the three Regionals stated to my husband that they have no authority to make decisions about this event. If that's true, then who does? The word 'core' suggests more than one person.
Who actually handles the finances for the event? Is there a treasuer? accountant? financial advisor?
If the BLM does not refund any of the approx. $30K in additional fees, and the same fees are charged for next year, where will that money come from?
Lora
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Re: Is Dark Skies a Regional Event?
Thu, June 21, 2007 - 6:53 PMI have been involved with the event (organizing the fire spinners), but am not a "regional coordinator" or anything like that. i get emails that most people don't. that's all.
Since this is a joint regional venture, technically, the regional coordinators of Las Vegas and LA are co-chair on this event. However, as I understand it (and this info is about a year old) LA is being run by a group of 3 co-regionals. So, at least 4 people are officially in charge as far as BMorg is concerned.
If I had to stick a pin in it, I'd list Cameron as the head of the beast. Big E, the LA regionals, and a small fleet of people from both LA and LV form the full crew with most of the decisions being managed by small volunteer groups within that structure. So, yes, it's hard to say "Athena is in charge", despite the fact that she's kinda the last word on clean-up (or whatever). But the one that I perceive as having the most energy, drive and fingers in pies is definitely Cam. Of course, that could also be because i answer directly to him and E regarding pyro coordination.
Check the Singularity site for finance info. As I understand, the books are fully posted there (somewhere.
400 people paying upwards of $100 for the weekend pays for the BLM fees, the potties and the materials for the icons. What's left goes up to BM arts.
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Re: Is Dark Skies a Regional Event?
Wed, June 20, 2007 - 11:28 AM> Is Dark Skies/Singularity a Las Vegas Burning Man Regional Event? Or a
> Las Vegas Artisits' Event?
Dark Skies/Singularity is a Burning Man Regional Event produced by VegasArtists.com LLC.
> If this is a combined event, then why is
> there no mention of Burning Man on the Dark Skies website?
It does on the front page "Dark Skies is also the Las Vegas regional Burn". Do I really need to put the words "Burning Man" on the page? Probably - so it will be corrected.
> And why is the Dark Skies Survival Guide sorely lacking in the TEN
> PRINCIPALS of BURNING MAN?
The survival guide doesn't have the principles listed in it because it is currently a one page document & there isn't enough room to include everything. If need be, we'll go to a bigger document and we can put more stuff in there - however the 7 of the 10 principles are listed (albeit paraphrased) on the 'About' page of the website. I didn't want to pull copy directly from Burning Man's website.
> Why is ALL discussion of the event steered ONLY to the
>Dark Skies yahoo group, but not the LASVEGASBURNINGMAN yahoo group?
Because information relevant to the event can be posted in one place for everyone to see. There may be people that want to know about BM related stuff in Vegas, but not DS and vice versa.
> Who exactly decided to borrow money from other BURNING MAN REGIONALS
> and the BURNINGMAN PROJECT to produce this event?
It was decided by a core group, including all three Las Vegas BM regional contacts. This was not put out for public discussion as it was either to get a loan to produce the event or to cancel it outright. It was decided, as a group, that canceling the event would have not only upset the community at large but would also damage our relationship with BLM.
> And WHO EXACTLY is the Las Vegas Regional?
Las Vegas has three regionals - Tony Bondi, Tiya Coleman & Cameron Grant.
> Who decides this? Why does Las Vegas need more than one Regional?
> Do ALL of them get free tickets to Burning Man?
Those are all questions that should be asked of someone in San Fran who oversees the Regionals Network. I believe its either Andie Grace or $teven Ra$pa.
> It is doubtful that any of these questions will be answered, because
> it is unlikely that a dissenting view will be allowed to be posted.
Nothing you asked is dissenting Lora. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with your points - I'm simply stating the facts as I know them.
